Showing posts with label Suspension. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Suspension. Show all posts

Thursday, February 26, 2009

E36 M3 suspension

If you are considering swapping your 4 lug suspension for 5 lug, a few notes about using M3 suspension.

Front - You will need the complete front struts/springs froma 96-99 E36 M3 for the 5 lug swap. Also required are the front control arms and offset control arm busings.

Rear - I do not know of any way to use the rear E36 trailing arms. You cannot use the E36 M3 differential or the axles either. The M3 diff will not bolt to the E30 subframe, and has a CV input flange. E36 M3 axles only work with the M3 diff and M3 control arms, due to the large diameter spline where it goes into the wheel bearing.


Rear suspension needs to come from a 318ti or Z3. If you can find them, and have the cash, you can use the MZ3 rear control arm which are beefier and allow you to use the larger diameter M-tech brakes.

I have another post about doing the 5 lug conversion

Monday, January 5, 2009

BMW wheel bolt pattern


I see a lot of people looking for the BMW bolt pattern. It is as follows:


4 lug -> 4x100mm or 3.937 in. ---> All 4 lug BMW's all years


5 lug -> 5x120mm or 4.724 in. (chevy is very close to this) ---> All 5 lug BMW's all years


A four lug or five lug bolt cirlce is an imaginary circle running through the center of the lug holes. A 4 lug pattern can be measured from center of one lug to the center of the lug diagonally across from it. A 5 lug pattern is much more difficult to measure, due to the fact that the lugs are not equally opposite and would require a bolt pattern gauge.

Offset: The offset is where you run into trouble. The offset of a wheel is as follows: the distance from the mounting surface of the wheel to the true centerline of the rim. A positive offset means the mounting surface of the wheel is positioned in front of the true centerline of the wheel. This will bring the tire in to the fender well more. A negative offset will mean that the mounting surface of the wheel is behind the true centerline of the wheel. This will cause the tire to stick out away from the vehicle..

Most 5 , 6 and 7 series wheels will work on each other.
Early 3 series cars were 4 lug. The 3 series cars that are 5 lug, E36, E46 and E90, have a front wheel drive offset (negative offeset). This pushes the hub portion to the outside edge of the wheel and cause 3 series (5 lug) wheels to not fit on 5, 6 and 7 series cars. The back of the wheel will hit the strut before the hub surface makes contact. The 5, 6 and 7 series wheels will bolt onto a 3 series (5 lug) but tend to stick out and rub on the fenders (posative offset).

Here is a link to a bunch of factory wheels
http://picasaweb.google.com/BavarianAutoRecycling/Wheels#

Wednesday, December 10, 2008

E30 to E34 suspension

I have been getting a lot of hits to my blog from people searching for ways to upgrade their E30 suspension to E34 suspension. My guess would be to go from 4 lug to 5 lug. I haven't heard anything about doing this, but since I have access to the parts, I thought I would investigate. I went out in the yard and grabbed an E30 rear control arm and an E34 525i rear control arm. Just by laying them side by side I can say that if it is possible to use E34 rear suspension it would require some heavy mods.


For starters the E34 is 2 inches wider that the E30. Also, I don't know if you can see it, the E34 shock mount is on the top of the control arm. The E30 shock mount is on the bottom of the arm.

Finally, E34's use coil over shocks where as E30's use springs separate from the shock, so there is no spring perch on the arm. I suppose you could us a coil over set-up on your E30, but for the sake of argument, the perch is missing from the E34 arm.



As for the front struts, I don't think E34is going to work because of the different control arm set-up.





If any one has any more info on doing an E30/E34 swap, feel free to leave me a comment.

Saturday, September 13, 2008

5 lug


The 4 lug wheel. There are no great 4 lug wheels. Fortunately the E36 has an assortment of parts that allow you to change over to a 5 lug wheel. I'm not going to get too technical but here's what I did to change from 4 lug to 5 lug.





The rear - I used E36 95-99 318ti rear control arms. They are a direct bolt up. 318ti control arms are fairly cheap and easy to get. Make sure you get the rear calipers and rotors to go with the arms as you not only go 5 lug but get slightly bigger brakes. You should probably use 318ti axles shafts, but you will need to use E28 differential flanges to make them work. I kept my E30 axles but there are only about 2 threads showing past the axle nut. The e36 hubs are about a 1/4 inch wider. You will use your E30 E-brake cables on the new arms.

You could use Z3 control arms to change to 5 lug, but it is my understanding you need to bend the metal brake line on the control arm. The ultimate control arm is the MZ3. Then you get huge vented rear rotors. But you will need the brakes and the axles to go with these. Expect to spend a lot of $$$$ and have fun trying to find them. You can keep your E30 lowering springs or use some E36 lowering springs as they look exactly the same. The spring perch on the E36/Z3 control arms is in the same spot. The rear shock mount is also in the same spot.






Differential - While changing the control arms and axles, I changed my differential over to a LSD 3.25 from an 87 535is. My original diff was 2.93 one legger that loved to spin every time I turned the corner in the rain. Now with the S3.25 I stay in the power band running through the gears and it's a lot more fun changing lanes going through traffic. I get around 21mpg with the S3.25.



You will need to change the rear differential cover to an E30 rear cover to use the E28 differential. If you can get the Z3 M3 rear diff cover, this will also work, plus give you cooling fins. I believe it also holds an extra quart of fluid.




I chose the S3.25 differential because this is supposed to be the optimal gear ratio for a M50/S50 conversion. After doing the swap, I find that the S3.25 is the perfect gear ratio. In 5th gear at 80mph on the free way I am running close to 3,000 rpm.



The front - The front requires a little customizing, but is pretty straight forward. The parts list I used goes something like this:

96-99 M3 S52 front control arms
88-91 M3 S14 control arm bushings
95 M3 Complete front struts with kingpins (Knuckles or Spindles)
95-99 M3 Brake calipers (M logo cast into the caliper)
95-99 M3 Brake Rotors and Pads
Braided Steel Brake lines - Always nice, especially when you come across a good used set

To make the struts bolt up to the car, you will need to change the bolt pattern of the strut cap. The three studs that bolt the cap to the car are spaced differently than the E30. I punch the studs out of the cap, then marked new holes on it by putting it in place on the car. M3 strut caps have camber adjustment built into them. You need to make the strut lean as far in toward the engine as possible without the spring hitting the wheelhouse. With new holes marked and drilled I pushed the studs into the new holes and hung the struts.

You need to change the control arm bushing over to the E30 S14 m3 bushing. It has an offset center hole rather than the hole being centered. The geometry of the M3 control arm plus the offset bushing help stand the wheel back up, otherwise it leans out. That is also why you need to lean the strut as far in when re-drilling the bearing cap holes. It takes modified coil overs to get your struts to lean in any more. DO NOT use 325 struts. The spring is a much larger diameter and the strut itself will not work with a M3 strut cap. E36 M3 springs and E30 springs are the same diameter, so if you have E30 lowering springs they should work with the E36 M3 struts.




The M3 control arms bolt into place the same as the old E30 ones. You have to press of the old bushings and press on the new ones before installing. The E30 Sway bar links also bolt to the new control arms.





Brakes - My ABS was not working before I did the swap, so I did not try to make it work with the new components. I kept my stock master cylinder. With the new bigger brakes my car stops exceptionally well. Even with the stock master cylinder, my brakes lock up with no problems.





Wheels - Once converting to 5 Lug there are a lot of wheel choices. Because you used E36 parts to swap to 5 lug it is best to stick to 3 series wheels. E36 and E46 wheels are the same offset, which is similar to a front wheel drive car. The inside of the wheel is a lot deeper than say a 5, 6 or 7 series. 3 series wheels will not fit a 5,6 or 7. The inside lip hits the strut before the hub surface. If you use a 5,6 or 7 wheel with the 5 lug E36 conversion the wheel may stick out past the fender. All 5 lug BMW's use the same bolt pattern.

Originally I went with a 6 spoke E46 16" wheel because I had access to a set. Now I have a staggered set of Style 42 Light Alloy Cross Spoke II wheels from a 2000 Z3 3.0. I think they really set the car off. 7 1/2Jx17 up front and 8 1/2Jx17 in the rear with 235/45ZR17 and 245/45ZR17 tires.